Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Diversification Tips From Marc Faber
Marc Faber was on Asia Squawkbox Monday morning for much of the show and as he often does he had some interesting things to say. One thing he said several times, which most people don't often think of when they think of him, is that he thinks people should be diversified. It is not surprising that he thinks this but it does not get much attention relative to the other things he talks about.
He answered several emails through the appearance including one about asset allocation. He answered that investors should diversify with real estate, farmland, equities and precious metals. In trying to find different ways to build a portfolio around his ideas I would not discount the off the cuff nature of his comments but the asset classes he mentioned are a combination of old standbys and popular "new" exposures.
If I had to buy one type of REIT (we don't own any) I would probably look at college apartment REITs. You can look at American Campus Communities (ACC) and easily find the few other names in this niche but again we have no exposure. There are also several companies considering converting to REIT status even though the underlying businesses are not real estate in the way you would typically expect. There are a slew of REIT ETFs, if I wanted to own this space I would prefer an individual issue but if you have to go the ETF route I would avoid anything with China in.
For the farmland segment it would be impractical for the typical 50 year old who is doing reasonably well and had $300,000-$500,000 in a 401k to go buy a farm (it might also be impractical for someone with millions saved) but there are some exchange traded proxies. The closest ETF is probably the new IndexIQ Global Agribusiness Small Cap Fund (CROP). The large cap ETFs in this space like PAGG, CRBA and client holding MOO don't really have exposure to farms. There are various plantation stocks from Asia (a couple of which trade in London), there a couple of companies listed in Sweden with farms in Russia, there are big chemical companies like Yara (YARIY) or Israel Chemical (ISCHY).
One new stock in the space that is easily accessed is Adecoagro (AGRO) which listed on the NYSE a few weeks ago. It has operations in Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay, it owns actual farms and it also processes food at mills. George Soros sold a bunch of shares into the IPO but he still owns a bunch of shares. In its two and half month trading, which I think is long enough that the syndicate bid would be gone, it has had a volatile ride to a 4% gain. That it did not blow up immediately tells me it is a real company and that no one is trying to pull a fast one--no one pulling a fast one is not much of an argument to buy a stock but I am willing to watch this one as I try to learn more about it (I watched Ecopetrol for months before buying it for clients).
Coincidentally I found this article about food and farming on Bloomberg. For me, the money quote was "global food output will have to climb 70 percent between 2010 and 2050 as the world population swells to 9.1 billion people and rising incomes boost meat and dairy consumption." Figuring the best way in may not be easy but this is a real theme. If New Zealand's Fonterra ever went public I'd probably be very interested.
As far as equities, this blog covers this all the time. There is no reason that in any of these portfolio concepts that the equity portion can't be a properly diversified equity portfolio. Given the doom that Faber sees coming to the US and Euroland he might suggest avoiding those parts of the world in favor of certain markets in Asia and maybe Latin America (here I am talking about what he might suggest, I am obviously a big fan of certain parts of Latin America).
Precious metals are easy in terms of choices. There are now multiple physical gold ETFs and several other metals are available too. If you believe there is any sort of malfeasance with how the metal is accounted for, as some people do, then you should avoid the funds. There are also plenty of interesting equity ETFs and individual stocks in this space as well.
You can look under the hood of the various ETFs for ideas for individual names if you are so inclined to that type of investment. While no one should forget the Mark Twain quote about showing him a gold mine and his showing you a hole in the ground with a liar standing over it there are plenty of small companies with producing mines in various parts of the world that trade in Canada and London, again for anyone inclined to do the work, and some of these stocks will do very well. There is nothing easy about selecting this type of stock but they are out there.
No mention from Faber about Thai Tap Water which is a name he was mentioning quite frequently there for a while.
He answered several emails through the appearance including one about asset allocation. He answered that investors should diversify with real estate, farmland, equities and precious metals. In trying to find different ways to build a portfolio around his ideas I would not discount the off the cuff nature of his comments but the asset classes he mentioned are a combination of old standbys and popular "new" exposures.
If I had to buy one type of REIT (we don't own any) I would probably look at college apartment REITs. You can look at American Campus Communities (ACC) and easily find the few other names in this niche but again we have no exposure. There are also several companies considering converting to REIT status even though the underlying businesses are not real estate in the way you would typically expect. There are a slew of REIT ETFs, if I wanted to own this space I would prefer an individual issue but if you have to go the ETF route I would avoid anything with China in.
For the farmland segment it would be impractical for the typical 50 year old who is doing reasonably well and had $300,000-$500,000 in a 401k to go buy a farm (it might also be impractical for someone with millions saved) but there are some exchange traded proxies. The closest ETF is probably the new IndexIQ Global Agribusiness Small Cap Fund (CROP). The large cap ETFs in this space like PAGG, CRBA and client holding MOO don't really have exposure to farms. There are various plantation stocks from Asia (a couple of which trade in London), there a couple of companies listed in Sweden with farms in Russia, there are big chemical companies like Yara (YARIY) or Israel Chemical (ISCHY).
One new stock in the space that is easily accessed is Adecoagro (AGRO) which listed on the NYSE a few weeks ago. It has operations in Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay, it owns actual farms and it also processes food at mills. George Soros sold a bunch of shares into the IPO but he still owns a bunch of shares. In its two and half month trading, which I think is long enough that the syndicate bid would be gone, it has had a volatile ride to a 4% gain. That it did not blow up immediately tells me it is a real company and that no one is trying to pull a fast one--no one pulling a fast one is not much of an argument to buy a stock but I am willing to watch this one as I try to learn more about it (I watched Ecopetrol for months before buying it for clients).
Coincidentally I found this article about food and farming on Bloomberg. For me, the money quote was "global food output will have to climb 70 percent between 2010 and 2050 as the world population swells to 9.1 billion people and rising incomes boost meat and dairy consumption." Figuring the best way in may not be easy but this is a real theme. If New Zealand's Fonterra ever went public I'd probably be very interested.
As far as equities, this blog covers this all the time. There is no reason that in any of these portfolio concepts that the equity portion can't be a properly diversified equity portfolio. Given the doom that Faber sees coming to the US and Euroland he might suggest avoiding those parts of the world in favor of certain markets in Asia and maybe Latin America (here I am talking about what he might suggest, I am obviously a big fan of certain parts of Latin America).
Precious metals are easy in terms of choices. There are now multiple physical gold ETFs and several other metals are available too. If you believe there is any sort of malfeasance with how the metal is accounted for, as some people do, then you should avoid the funds. There are also plenty of interesting equity ETFs and individual stocks in this space as well.
You can look under the hood of the various ETFs for ideas for individual names if you are so inclined to that type of investment. While no one should forget the Mark Twain quote about showing him a gold mine and his showing you a hole in the ground with a liar standing over it there are plenty of small companies with producing mines in various parts of the world that trade in Canada and London, again for anyone inclined to do the work, and some of these stocks will do very well. There is nothing easy about selecting this type of stock but they are out there.
No mention from Faber about Thai Tap Water which is a name he was mentioning quite frequently there for a while.
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Successful investors understand that asset allocation is the most important determinant of portfolio returns. Most novices get caught up in the current "hot" stocks and pay little attention to their asset allocation and diversification. Thanks for the good article.
A fine selection of investments there, Roger. The new ETFs - CROP and AGRO - look intruiging. I saw a full-page ad in 2007 to invest in Brazilian farmland which was tempting, currency and diversification-wise, given the then backdrop. A lack of understanding prohibited me from taking a leap, though (I have difficulty growing old). An ETF investing in internationally-diversified wine growers (not just stored vintage) could be a good punt. The last I heard Asia was waking up to the grape.
It's a shame there aren't yet ETFs/Mutual Funds for those who want to diversify but can't. One/more with allocations to some, many or all of land, REITs, commodities, bonds and equities (like a fund of funds, for example) would be interesting.
I guess hedge funds for the very wealthy may provide this but not so much for the smaller investor. For example Schroder's Fund of Funds (today highlighted as 'Fund of the Week' on a UK trading platform) offers a potential of the 130 best performing funds - all equity funds from Schroder and making up 85% of the portfolio, the rest being bonds. This is 'diversification made simple' in the individual investor-verse, although equity-wise it is quite diversified.
Best to be doing your homework then, while avoiding areas with pricing out of sync with fundamentals. Thanks for the great post.
It's a shame there aren't yet ETFs/Mutual Funds for those who want to diversify but can't.
Justin, according to Simba's backtest spreadsheet, 33% PCRIX (commodity), 67% VWINX (Wellesley balanced) - historic yearly % gains
1972 19.12
1973 20.23
1974 -2.96
1975 13.38
1976 13.77
1977 3.87
1978 11.12
1979 15.46
1980 9.98
1981 -1.62
1982 16.88
1983 16.50
1984 9.99
1985 22.66
1986 10.25
1987 4.62
1988 15.22
1989 23.17
1990 10.81
1991 15.70
1992 7.98
1993 11.93
1994 -1.03
1995 27.38
1996 12.37
1997 13.20
1998 -0.42
1999 3.71
2000 22.66
2001 -0.08
2002 16.29
2003 16.31
2004 10.47
2005 9.10
2006 6.55
2007 11.61
2008 -20.89
2009 23.91
2010 15.10
Two facts, as food for thought:
- Only 202 of the 500 biggest companies in the United States in 1980 were still in existence 20 years later.
- On December 29, 1989, Tokyo's Nikkei stock average reached its all-time peak of 38,915.87. Twenty years later, the Nikkei has never again reached that level — and, in 2009, reached a new low of 7,054.98.
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