Friday, July 24, 2009
Friday Randoms
A few things this morning. First you probably know that Pimco has filed for a few ETFs including a 20 year zero coupon ETF. This could be interesting. Zeroes don't pay interest. They are bought at massive discounts and accrete toward par at a prevailing interest rate at the time you buy. If interest rates rocket higher right after you buy the price of a longer dated zero will get crushed. I remember buying zeroes for a client when I was at Lehman Brothers with rates, if memory serves, at about 9% on their way below 8% (this was in 1990) and these people made 20% in what seemed like ten minutes. It was the first trade I ever did that worked out in that manner.
That of course was in the middle of a colossal bull market for bonds. The fate of interest rates from here is far less certain and a 20 year zero fund bought at the wrong time would get pasted. But the fund would be a great way to add volatility to a bond portfolio which can be appropriate for some people. The idea of buying 20 years for only four point something percent does not sound good to me but if rates get up into the sixes or so then going out that far becomes a lot more attractive.
However buying zero coupon bonds is very easy to do, same as regular treasuries so I'm not sure why a fund is necessary here. I may not have written about zeroes ever before as generally I don't to add yieldless volatility in for clients but maybe I'll view it differently if yields go back to 7%.
This article reminded me about the two carbon ETPs (one is an ETF and the other an ETN). If you link through you will see that they have done quite well of late in conjunction with the equity markets' rally. While the concept is quite intriguing if it continues to correlate with the stock market it may not pick up a lot of traction. The carbon stuff turns out to be a play on corporate activity, more correctly the market's perception of corporate activity. Maybe that will change later but that remains to be seen.
Next up is that apparently ETF Securities' first US fund is due to launch according to this article and this one. If the name ETF Securities rings a bell these are the folks that listed all those exchange traded commodities in London a few years back. They had filed for platinum and palladium funds and these were expected to the first to actually list but it turns out it will be the silver ETF and it should have symbol SIVR. Since we already have a silver ETF I'm not sure another one will make a big impression but platinum (in an ETF versus ETN) and palladium could be interesting and useful for some people.
I like the idea, in commodities, of gold, broad based agricultural and then a single commodity that has some basis for an out sized return. I would think that an industrial metal or a soft not well represented in the broad based agricultural product chosen could work in that context. I have the first two covered for clients but have not yet delved into that third category. For some ongoing context I would still only go to mid single digits with the total commodity exposure.
Finally the full piece about Harvard in Vanity Fair by Nina Munk is on the web. Maybe it has been out for a while, I don't know but I just found it yesterday.
The article is not so much about HMC by itself as it is the problems at the school now, some of the decisions made, the politics involved and HMC's role in all of it. One of the big problems was excess. The largess of the various construction projects coincided with incorrect assumptions about what the endowment would be able to do and how long it would be able to do it. How different is this from what happens to many individuals? Someone buys as much house as they can afford, have a couple of car payments, a few hundred in credit card payments and all is going well until some sort unforeseen bump in the road comes along and fouls it all up.
That of course was in the middle of a colossal bull market for bonds. The fate of interest rates from here is far less certain and a 20 year zero fund bought at the wrong time would get pasted. But the fund would be a great way to add volatility to a bond portfolio which can be appropriate for some people. The idea of buying 20 years for only four point something percent does not sound good to me but if rates get up into the sixes or so then going out that far becomes a lot more attractive.
However buying zero coupon bonds is very easy to do, same as regular treasuries so I'm not sure why a fund is necessary here. I may not have written about zeroes ever before as generally I don't to add yieldless volatility in for clients but maybe I'll view it differently if yields go back to 7%.
This article reminded me about the two carbon ETPs (one is an ETF and the other an ETN). If you link through you will see that they have done quite well of late in conjunction with the equity markets' rally. While the concept is quite intriguing if it continues to correlate with the stock market it may not pick up a lot of traction. The carbon stuff turns out to be a play on corporate activity, more correctly the market's perception of corporate activity. Maybe that will change later but that remains to be seen.
Next up is that apparently ETF Securities' first US fund is due to launch according to this article and this one. If the name ETF Securities rings a bell these are the folks that listed all those exchange traded commodities in London a few years back. They had filed for platinum and palladium funds and these were expected to the first to actually list but it turns out it will be the silver ETF and it should have symbol SIVR. Since we already have a silver ETF I'm not sure another one will make a big impression but platinum (in an ETF versus ETN) and palladium could be interesting and useful for some people.
I like the idea, in commodities, of gold, broad based agricultural and then a single commodity that has some basis for an out sized return. I would think that an industrial metal or a soft not well represented in the broad based agricultural product chosen could work in that context. I have the first two covered for clients but have not yet delved into that third category. For some ongoing context I would still only go to mid single digits with the total commodity exposure.
Finally the full piece about Harvard in Vanity Fair by Nina Munk is on the web. Maybe it has been out for a while, I don't know but I just found it yesterday.
The article is not so much about HMC by itself as it is the problems at the school now, some of the decisions made, the politics involved and HMC's role in all of it. One of the big problems was excess. The largess of the various construction projects coincided with incorrect assumptions about what the endowment would be able to do and how long it would be able to do it. How different is this from what happens to many individuals? Someone buys as much house as they can afford, have a couple of car payments, a few hundred in credit card payments and all is going well until some sort unforeseen bump in the road comes along and fouls it all up.
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Would you receive a 1099-OID form each year? I hate paying taxes on money that I haven't been paid.
i don't know if it would be OID hassles or if the fund would pay dividend similar to what TIPS funds do.
Vanguard has had an "Extended Duration Treasury Index" ETF out for awhile now (EDV). Pretty volatile as expected and, of course, as desired if one is betting on falling interest rates or hedging a long-term liability and/or deflation.
I buy strips direct when I buy 'em, usually in a tax deferred account because paying taxes on putative interest (AKA "phantom interest") bugs me. Not sure how the ETF's pass putative interest on but, depending upon how that is done, it might make sense to use them in taxable accounts. ISTR the old Benham Target Maturity trusts (now American Century funds) used to do a reverse split each year-end to handle that; don't think it created a taxable event but could be wrong.
Anon 5:51 ... yes on the 1099-OID. Or at least that was how it was back in the late 80s when we bought 10% Treasury zeros. The, ummm, burden of the tax was lightened considerably by the fact of holding a 10% triple-A Treasury in a declining interest rate environment. Capital gains possible. For the longer-term, can you say compounding?
As for the Pimco ETF and its possible opening: this sure seems like an unattractive time to buy zeros. Maybe Pimco just wants to be ready for the return of 10% rates. I dunno.
BillM
I read the Vanity Fair article a few days ago (probably off Infectious Greed). Man it's interesting.
That's One Big Thing that I've learned in this whole mess. You assume the big guys are better investors than you are. You assume the big guys manage their money better than you. You assume the big guys don't go crazy and spend $1b on building projects that they should only spend $300m or something on (just as I shouldn't overspend).
And it's always interesting when you find out you're wrong. They're usually no better than you or me.
A commodity that is not given much attention but will give a return in today's and tomorrow's economic enviroment?
I think coffee is growing in popularity in emerging markets, as are cotton clothes/sheets...
Lehman Brothers? I am not sure I have herd of them - isn't that a furniture store??
I think this Great Recession (TM by RR) has reminded us that our paychecks are not annuity payments- they can go down or get "interrupted" - which calls for a margin of safety (aka living below your means - 2nd TM by RR)
Being up by 35% since March doesn't mean you are smart - it may actually mean you are not.
EDV does yield 4.9% right now, so maybe the new product would take the same approach. It is an intriguing time to launch this zeros product.
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute; US long term rates are around 3.5% but Japan's are around 1.5% and have been for some time. Right now "everyone" collectively loves gold, is excited about the equity rally, and hates US long bonds. But what if we look back and realize the the best move would have been buying zeros before rates fell to 1.0% !?
certainly I've been a proponent of living below your means but didn't invent the idea and more importantly Great Recession is not mine. I'm sorry I don't know who first came up with it but I know who didn't and that's me.
Many investors do not appreciate the hazards of investing in a country not immune to war, graft, political foolishness, broken budgets, wealth confiscation via class warfare, a leader with a cult following and a complicit media.
Thus, the smart money is in foreign equities, including bonds.
"Being up by 35% since March doesn't mean you are smart - it may actually mean you are not."
I think I'm up a a lot more than 35% since March and do not attribute it to stupidity or making errors
Roger
I know you are not a big bond guy, but what do you think of this idea that's been bounced around recently......
The government offer 5% 30y bonds that are only available for individual retirement accounts.
Sounds like a pretty good deal to me for a portion of my retirement.....
5% for 30 years sounds good? not sure about that.
Roger. Off topic, but if you have the time, I would appreciate your comments on Covestor Investor Management (CVIM). Here is a link:
http://tinyurl.com/ma9kxs
To me, it sounds like marketing to amateur day-traders; a group that typically loses all their money.
Thanks.
anon9:09
So true. Who the heck cares what's up since the low in March. mostly waht went down the most and playing catch up. Better to look at least at 1 year chart.
Is there really any reasonable chance interest rates will go down? Doesn't seem to be a trade worth taking, but what do I know. I just want steady, fairly safe income and to me that means staying pretty short for now.
Anon 9:09
You are making my point- success doen't mean you were right it may just mean you are in the market - and in a market up 35% or more - can you find a mistake or a bad decision.
What if a good return was due to accepting unrealized risk and will only be shortlived - or the behavior rewarded this time leads to a catastrophic loss once repeated.
a Big Success can be more damaging than a little failure.
Anon 11:21 AM
I've beat the market in 07, 08, and so far 09 is looking good. I have also way out performed over a 10 year period.
I think a lot of reading and good analysis has contributed to my returns not just dumb luck.
Anon 6:06
"For the longer-term, can you say compounding?"
What's the point of that remark? I know what zeros are, and I know how they are taxed. My question was in the context of a fund which may have altogether different tax characteristics. I think it is safe to say that most everyone who posts here understands compounding. Many, however, ignore tax consequences. I cannot since I am alost all taxable and given that our politicians seem hell bent on raising taxes.
Anon 10:47 AM
No.
5%,30-year US Government bonds?
How about some real estate in urban Detroit?? Do I have a deal for YOU.
A commodity that is currently in diminishing supply is helium. It is used in a number of applications where it can not be replaced with another cryogenic gas. The alternatives as supplies continue to tighten are higher price or recovery units. Personally hae not been able to figure out a way to play this yet. Air Products has the majority f the supply, but there may be overseas opportunities in Iceland or the Soth American Rim of Fire, since helium evolves from volcanic fissures.
The best ag plays are seed, but you have that covered with Monsanto.
Sam
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